SPEAKER00: Welcome back to Self Made and Single and I'm your host Rachel Rose.
SPEAKER00: Today we're talking about something that's every girl's best friend and maybe not every girl will admit their best friend but it definitely is my best friend.

SPEAKER_00: We're talking about diamonds, specifically diamonds in the rough and the challenge of finding a high value man in the diamond industry.

SPEAKER_00: So I have with us an actual diamond expert for the first time ever on this show.

SPEAKER_00: We've got Ksenia Mirella, founder of her own personal brand, which is a London-based fine jewellery business, to talk all things diamonds and all things dating.

SPEAKER_00: Welcome.

SPEAKER_00: Thank you for having me.

SPEAKER_00: Thank you for coming.

SPEAKER_00: Yes, and fun fact, she's Russian, because she came on and I was like, OK, have fun.

SPEAKER_01: Don't care what you say, I'm loving it this way

SPEAKER_00: So talk to us, how did you get started?

SPEAKER_01: Yeah, it's actually, I have a pretty funny story because I never had any connection within the industry.

SPEAKER_01: My family was not involved.

SPEAKER_01: I really didn't have any clue about diamonds, gold, anything.

SPEAKER_01: I was never into jewellery growing up as a child.

SPEAKER_01: My mother was a bit of a tomboy, so she didn't really care for jewellery.

SPEAKER_01: And then at the age of 17, being the rebel that I was, I didn't really want to go to the university at the time because I just didn't know what I wanted to do.

SPEAKER_01: But coming from a conservative family, it was expected of me to you have to go to uni, you have to have a proper job, nine to five.

SPEAKER_01: So one day I told my mother that actually I want to take a gap year.

SPEAKER_01: And that was a complete shock for, as you can imagine, a Russian conservative mother.

SPEAKER_01: She was like, I can't believe my child is.

SPEAKER_01: disgraceful.

SPEAKER_01: I can't believe she's doing this to me.

SPEAKER_01: The aunties are going to be angry.

SPEAKER_01: And so she kicked me out the house and I was like, well, I need to find a job.

SPEAKER_01: It's I need to do something.

SPEAKER_01: So the next day I went shopping, not shopping.

SPEAKER_01: I was just browsing around and I walked into a boutique.

SPEAKER_01: I thought it was really nice.

SPEAKER_01: I didn't really think anything of it.

SPEAKER_01: I start chatting to this guy standing there.

SPEAKER_01: He didn't look like the owner of the business.

SPEAKER_01: He just looked like a guy working there.

SPEAKER_01: I don't know, like an essay shop assistant.

SPEAKER_01: So, and I think I was in my kind of zone adamant to find a job.

SPEAKER_01: And I just went to him, give me a manager.

SPEAKER_01: And he's like, well, what do you want?

SPEAKER_01: It's like, well, just give me a manager.

SPEAKER_01: It doesn't matter.

SPEAKER_01: And so he's like, well, I'm actually a manager.

SPEAKER_01: At the end, it turns out he was the owner, but I had no shame at the time.

SPEAKER_01: I just said, listen, I need the job.

SPEAKER_01: And then today, because tomorrow I have to run back to school to do my final exam before graduating high school.

SPEAKER_01: And I didn't have a CV.

SPEAKER_01: I didn't know how to write a CV.

SPEAKER_01: And I wrote my number on a post stick and I said, you have to call me back today and let me know if you're going to give me an interview today or whatever, because I need the job.

SPEAKER_01: So you called me back and I got the job the next day.

SPEAKER_01: Nice.

SPEAKER_01: That was the story of.

SPEAKER_01: You should never have any shame when you want something.

SPEAKER_01: Yes.

SPEAKER_01: And I stayed with that boutique for six years, learning everything.

SPEAKER_01: So repairs, sales, administrative work, even cleaning the shop floor.

SPEAKER_01: Like you have to do everything, which is a great, great experience.

SPEAKER_01: It was super tough.

SPEAKER_01: I remember the days I used to run home crying, just thinking, I can't believe this too difficult.

SPEAKER_01: uh just too stressful to you can't really deal with people never had a job before you have to learn how to deal with managers you have to learn how to deal with demanding clients being a 17 year old girl coming from a very sheltered background that was a bit of a culture shock for me so yeah it's it took a while I think two years it took me two years minimum to kind of get

SPEAKER_01: into this industry, into understanding how it works.

SPEAKER_01: And then from there, I developed a liking for it.

SPEAKER_01: I developed passion.

SPEAKER_01: I enjoyed what I was doing.

SPEAKER_01: I was interested even more to learn different aspects of the industry.

SPEAKER_01: This is how

SPEAKER_01: It kind of developed into a business at a later stage.

SPEAKER_01: Parallel to that, I did have to go to the university.

SPEAKER_01: It found you eventually.

SPEAKER_01: It did find me.

SPEAKER_01: I mean, the aunties were on my case.

SPEAKER_01: I graduated from a legal university.

SPEAKER_01: I didn't do anything to do with jewellery, but it was mainly to get my knowledge within business industry.

SPEAKER_01: It's understanding how to deal with paperwork, to deal with accounts and just different aspects.

SPEAKER_01: I think it's pretty useful, whatever you do.

SPEAKER_01: So yeah, this was kind of my pathway into the industry on my graduation.

SPEAKER_01: I decided that I need to start a business within jewellery because law is not something I want to do.

SPEAKER_01: Definitely want to go into that sector.

SPEAKER_01: So yeah, that was the moment when I opened the business on my graduation month.

SPEAKER_00: Nice.

SPEAKER_00: So how long have you had the business for?

SPEAKER_01: We started in 2019.

SPEAKER_01: Okay.

SPEAKER_01: Not too long, but actually I didn't have much luck at the beginning because as soon as I started, we got a Corona.

SPEAKER_01: Right.

SPEAKER_01: In a way it was a blessing because I managed to get all the background done for the company.

SPEAKER_01: So all the marketing, all the packaging, all the little details in terms of designs and

SPEAKER_01: just accumulating all the information and all the materials that I needed to launch the brand.

SPEAKER_01: I wish it didn't take as long as it did, but in a way it did help me because it gave me a year of developing the product, developing the brand,

SPEAKER_01: and then I managed to launch and yeah we're still going today going pretty strong which is a good thing.

SPEAKER_00: Amazing because I feel COVID was a blessing in disguise for so many business owners um and it's just incredible something that is because technically it's a brick and mortar business right do you have a do you have a stand-up shop in London or is it online only?

SPEAKER_01: We don't have a stand-up shop in London.

SPEAKER_01: We have a personal shopper that we work with.

SPEAKER_01: Nice.

SPEAKER_01: That's when a client wants to see the product.

SPEAKER_01: Most of our clients are actually Middle Eastern.

SPEAKER_01: We have a boutique in Qatar in Alhazen Mall.

SPEAKER_01: So that's where we present most of our products, just because of the demographic of our clients are more directed towards the Middle East.

SPEAKER_01: In London we do have an occasional client that wants to be your product sometimes they want to design something bespoke and that's when we invite them to our diamond office and that's when we get creative and they can sit down they can have a look at a range of stones and get the ideas flowing so that's how we work within London.

SPEAKER_00: Nice and in terms of your clientele how did it work out that most of them are in the Middle East?

SPEAKER_01: Well, actually, funny enough, I was developing my little black book of contacts whilst working at the jewellery store.

SPEAKER_01: And the very important factor in the industry is getting your clientele, is getting your trusted network of people that you can rely on.

SPEAKER_01: So it's not just customers, it's everyone within the industry, a diamond supplier, a manufacturer, a repair centre, everyone that you can work with.

SPEAKER_01: So because I was working for six years, I managed to get a pretty solid contact base for the industry.

SPEAKER_01: So when I launched, I realized that everyone, most of my clients were from the Middle East initially.

SPEAKER_01: I think in a way it's great marketing and it's much easier when it's the word of the mouth.

SPEAKER_01: It's from the client to client.

SPEAKER_01: And this is how it kind of got spread around and, you know, all got connected in a way.

SPEAKER_00: Amazing, so good and my other question was about diamond mining because there are ethical and non-ethical way or less let's say less ethical ways to mine so how does your business deal with that in terms of you know working in integrity but also not compromising on quality?

SPEAKER_01: Exactly.

SPEAKER_01: So working within the industry, you have so many opportunities with people coming to you and wanting to sell you a very nice product for a very, very, very nice price.

SPEAKER_01: You have a choice to either make more money but lose your integrity, lose your belief by going with that cheaper product.

SPEAKER_01: or you can go through a trusted source, a very knowledgeable and a very reliable supplier within the industry, the licensing with all the paperwork in place and obviously you're going to pay more.

SPEAKER_01: so the profit margin is less for you but then in the long run I think it works out better for you because you know the diamonds are ethical, you understand where they came from, the right paperwork, a client can't get back to you and complain about where the source of the diamond was, the government can't complain about

SPEAKER_01: you not being ethical or you trading within the wrong product.

SPEAKER_01: So I think in the long run, you have to sacrifice a profit margin and work within the ethical sector to just make sure you keep everyone happy and make sure that you're safe and you did the right thing as well.

SPEAKER_00: Nice.

SPEAKER_00: I love it.

SPEAKER_00: And so I wanted to ask as well about the name of the brand, because personal brand.

SPEAKER_00: So what made you want to make it a personal brand and not name it something else?

SPEAKER_01: I mean, I guess the honest answer will be that because it's my brand, I want to it's a bit of a ego side of me that I want to show that it is my brand.

SPEAKER_01: I did have to shorten my name because coming from a Russian background, I have a very long name.

SPEAKER_01: So I had to adjust my name to fit the logo, which we had already in place of the chess queen, which is our

SPEAKER_01: icon collection.

SPEAKER_01: I was playing around a little bit with my first and last name and decided to cut it down to fit exactly the logo and how it looks like.

SPEAKER_01: At the time I had a business partner, a lady called Victoria.

SPEAKER_01: She was not much involved within the design process, more within the background.

SPEAKER_01: paperwork and other things within the company so I showed a few different examples and I said well what do you think so she she liked it and I think getting approved by another person even though it was my name she still thought it was a good design she liked the way it sounds so I was like okay we're gonna stick to that.

SPEAKER_00: Nice.

SPEAKER_00: And I just love how honest you were, like, you know, I didn't come from a family that has loads of connections with the diamond industry.

SPEAKER_00: And it sounds like you had quite a, inverted commas, normal upbringing.

SPEAKER_00: So how did you get yourself into this mindset of being an entrepreneur and being so successful?

SPEAKER_00: Where did that come from?

SPEAKER_01: Yeah, absolutely.

SPEAKER_01: My family is completely normal.

SPEAKER_01: We didn't grow up with Silver Spoon, absolutely normal background.

SPEAKER_01: Although I always wanted to to do something great, I had this idea in my head that I need to do something with my life.

SPEAKER_01: It's just, you know, I'm going to be someone I'm going to be an actress.

SPEAKER_01: I'm going to be a singer or whatever.

SPEAKER_01: I'm just going to be great.

SPEAKER_01: I don't know.

SPEAKER_01: Growing up as a child, I had this

SPEAKER_01: little monster in my head saying that you have to do something.

SPEAKER_01: And then reality hits you and you're kind of like, okay, well, it's not going to work out, you need to think of something a bit more practical.

SPEAKER_01: And obviously, I don't think I

SPEAKER_01: took a big risk because I didn't go into an industry that I haven't worked in before.

SPEAKER_01: I was a bit more stable because I already worked in the industry for six years.

SPEAKER_01: I had the connection built up, I had the confidence built up as well because I knew what I was doing.

SPEAKER_01: You have to make a product and you had to sell a product and you have to market product.

SPEAKER_01: So, in that way it gave me confidence to just carry on doing something that I already know how to do.

SPEAKER_01: It was a risk because you're risking your life, you're risking your future, you don't know if you're going to make money, if you're going to be successful.

SPEAKER_01: At the same time, choosing a legal career where you never had any experience is probably a bigger risk than going within the business sector.

SPEAKER_00: you know kudos to everyone who's a lawyer out there like you and I both need lawyers for our business so we're not going to put them down but it's different right it's just having your own business is something else it's a freedom that I don't know if a lawyer is gonna get so it makes sense to me why you would not choose that route.

SPEAKER_01: 100% you don't as much as I have to work

SPEAKER_01: sometimes until 3am to meet a deadline as much as I have to work on a Sunday, on a Saturday.

SPEAKER_01: I don't mind it.

SPEAKER_01: It's not a nine to five.

SPEAKER_01: I get to enjoy it.

SPEAKER_01: I get to go out whenever I want.

SPEAKER_01: I get to do everything that I want to do.

SPEAKER_01: I'm free to travel.

SPEAKER_01: I'm free to, I don't know, even go out for coffee in the middle of my working day.

SPEAKER_01: Just

SPEAKER_01: Obviously, as long as I feel my deadline.

SPEAKER_01: It's a different style.

SPEAKER_01: I think it's a different mindset as well.

SPEAKER_01: You always have to push yourself.

SPEAKER_01: There's no one standing next to you pushing you.

SPEAKER_01: So it's different.

SPEAKER_00: Yes, I love it.

SPEAKER_00: I really love your story.

SPEAKER_00: And so I would love to know how the Queen of Diamonds is doing in the dating game.

SPEAKER_00: Tell us all about that.

SPEAKER_01: I think I have, because I have a strong personality, let's just say that.

SPEAKER_01: What's that saying to you?

SPEAKER_00: I'm a Sagittarius.

SPEAKER_00: Oh, I mean, my mum is a Sagittarius, so I know what you mean, but I would not have any other way.

SPEAKER_00: We need you in the world.

SPEAKER_01: I think we're fun, we're creative, a bit spontaneous.

SPEAKER_01: So in a way, it's a blessing, but on the other hand, for a dating career, it's a bit difficult.

SPEAKER_01: Sometimes, especially having the freedom of being an entrepreneur, if I want to travel, if I want to get away, it's pretty simple for me.

SPEAKER_01: You just book, you go, you enjoy yourself.

SPEAKER_01: Whereas if I'm dating a partner who's got nine to five, he's not able to do that.

SPEAKER_01: I think in a very simple example, scheduling a date with someone who works nine to five, it's so difficult because I forget that they have an office job and they have to finish an office job at a certain time.

SPEAKER_01: Whereas I'm texting him saying, oh, hey, I'm just done with my emails.

SPEAKER_01: Why don't we grab a coffee in the middle of the day?

SPEAKER_01: It's been difficult.

SPEAKER_01: I've been single for most of my time.

SPEAKER_01: uh the longest relationship I had was about a year okay and uh yeah I I kind of uh I mean I'm still actively looking but I'm married to my business I think I mean it's a good marriage for sure it's loving it's mutually loving but what is it do you think if someone was like cool

SPEAKER_00: here's a menu order what you want obviously life is not like this but tell us what you are really looking for if you know there was no way to feel bad or anyone to judge you like what would you really ask for I don't want to be cancelled here this is no my listeners are non-judgmental and if they are then it's like they're the cancelled ones okay this is open

SPEAKER_01: I mean, I will try to keep it as politically correct as I can.

SPEAKER_01: I guarantee anything.

SPEAKER_01: Obviously, you want someone good looking.

SPEAKER_01: You have to wake up to that person every single day.

SPEAKER_01: You have to look at them.

SPEAKER_01: You have to be physically attracted.

SPEAKER_01: For me, passion and physical attraction is very important.

SPEAKER_01: If I'm physically not connected to you, it's not going to last long, no matter how great your personality is, how

SPEAKER_01: and create you are as a person and every single other aspect.

SPEAKER_01: It's a bit difficult to build a relationship or a stable lifestyle with someone who you're not physically attracted to.

SPEAKER_01: It's a friendship, it's not a relationship.

SPEAKER_01: Wow, I think that's probably number one on my list.

SPEAKER_01: The second one is, I think maybe being a Sagittarius, I get bored quite easily.

SPEAKER_01: I want someone outgoing.

SPEAKER_01: I want them to get up one day and saying, okay, we're going to go traveling or we're going to do this or just being spontaneous, enjoying life.

SPEAKER_01: Life is so

SPEAKER_01: I mean, it's so difficult as it is.

SPEAKER_01: We don't need to make it even more complicated.

SPEAKER_01: I just want someone outgoing, someone with a lot of energy.

SPEAKER_01: I think that's nice.

SPEAKER_00: Nice.

SPEAKER_00: And do you do star science?

SPEAKER_00: You do astrology?

SPEAKER_01: My mother, she taught me how to do it because I'm super into it and she's really good.

SPEAKER_01: nice she's been giving me like every single month she'll give me like a hint you have to do this with this or oh it's okay i have a little insider does she want to be friends because i think we'd be best friends like love astrology yes you can talk for hours about i i strongly believe astrology

SPEAKER_00: really does help in the dating game, like in terms of what works for you, but I also believe in flow and energy.

SPEAKER_00: And I think particularly as a, as well as a coach, I'm an energy healer and we change so much and we ebb and we flow.

SPEAKER_00: And it's like, I feel like the one key thing about being a self-made woman is realizing that whatever you want now is valid, you know, and maybe in five years, it's not what you want.

SPEAKER_00: And that changes and that's also valid, but

SPEAKER_00: I just feel like sometimes the world's like, you've got to know what you want, boom, and that's it.

SPEAKER_00: And you can't change.

SPEAKER_00: And if you change, you're a bad person.

SPEAKER_00: Not at all.

SPEAKER_01: If I have to look back five years ago, thinking about the guys that I was dating, God forbid me to meet the same person like them.

SPEAKER_01: No, no, no, we definitely change.

SPEAKER_01: I am a strong believer in everything happens for a reason and there is the one.

SPEAKER_01: I like to hope that, I mean, based on astrology and based on what my mother told me is in my chart, apparently there is that one person that I'm due to meet at some point.

SPEAKER_01: I don't know when, hopefully very soon.

SPEAKER_01: nice nice um but yeah i i feel like um again being a self-made woman and being a business woman you have a very strong masculine energy you you have a goal goal getter mindset which is quite um frustrating and it's a bit scary for some men which is absolutely fine but you know

SPEAKER_01: it narrows down the search and narrows down the people that you're able to get along with whilst you're on your journey to the one.

SPEAKER_00: Yes and I wonder so in your profession do you come across other entrepreneurs because you talked about nine to five men what about other entrepreneurs?

SPEAKER_01: Yeah, I do actually quite a few number of actually it's it's a big misconception that a diamond industry is a female industry.

SPEAKER_01: It's very much male dominated.

SPEAKER_00: I thought it was male dominated.

SPEAKER_00: Do people think it's female?

SPEAKER_00: I would think it would be male.

SPEAKER_01: 100% it's a male dominated industry.

SPEAKER_01: All the top positions are held by male and yeah, it's a standard within the industry.

SPEAKER_01: I personally don't want to date within my industry because it's such a small

SPEAKER_01: small world everyone's connected in some kind of way I don't I'm a bit more practical in that sense I don't want anything to interfere with my business within the future you you don't know how that relationship will affect you I'm quite competitive as well so I don't really want my guy where can you imagine oh god no clash my diamonds are better than your no

SPEAKER_00: But no, that makes sense.

SPEAKER_00: That does make sense.

SPEAKER_00: Really, I'm just still shocked people think it's a female based.

SPEAKER_00: From what I've seen, though, it's definitely male dominated.

SPEAKER_00: So interesting.

SPEAKER_00: Very interesting.

SPEAKER_00: And so you talked about like past relationships and like you wouldn't be caught dead with the kind of people that you were dating before.

SPEAKER_00: So talk to us about some of those relationships and why they weren't quite right.

SPEAKER_01: I think they were not right because I was not right within how I, it's very difficult to explain.

SPEAKER_01: I didn't know myself the way I know myself now.

SPEAKER_01: And this is why I was picking the person that was not suitable for me.

SPEAKER_01: Understanding that you're valuable, understanding that your time is valuable, your energy is valuable is very important because

SPEAKER_01: you end up filtrating a large number of people that are not right for you.

SPEAKER_01: Whereas dating at the age of 17, 18, especially working in such a luxury industry, you have very powerful people that can easily influence you saying, well, I can change your life or I have all this power and everything.

SPEAKER_01: Look at me, I'm such a great guy.

SPEAKER_01: And as an 18 year old,

SPEAKER_01: not really having much and not seeing that side of the world, you get interested within that person, but it's not for the right reasons.

SPEAKER_01: And the connection that you build is the wrong type of connection.

SPEAKER_01: Looking back, I would not date the guys that I would date because I think

SPEAKER_01: i used to have this one thought in my head every time i went on the first day i used to think did he like me and it's very very bad because i never thought did i like him wow now every time i go in the day it's more of how do i feel and did i enjoy his company do i want to see him again i i don't really pay attention to to what people expect of me anymore i think

SPEAKER_01: quite important and that changed my dating game drastically.

SPEAKER_00: Nice.

SPEAKER_00: And did that affect the kind of people that you energetically attracted as well?

SPEAKER_00: Like, because you were more like, actually, I'm the prize too.

SPEAKER_01: Yeah, it did 100% because back in the day, I would give so many chances to the wrong kind of people.

SPEAKER_01: I had a guy who I was physically attracted to.

SPEAKER_01: He was a very nice gentleman.

SPEAKER_01: quite young, very successful, but he was in a marriage or he was going through a divorce, as he said.

SPEAKER_01: Although I don't think that was the case, but obviously being a quite young, naive girl thinking, oh, I hope he likes me.

SPEAKER_01: It made me think that actually there's nothing wrong with him.

SPEAKER_01: Whatever he's doing is absolutely fine.

SPEAKER_01: I just need to be better so that he likes me more so that he

SPEAKER_01: proceeds with the divorce quicker or things like that or you were competing with a wife whereas you should never do that you shouldn't be with that kind of person in the first place he's not correct if he can leave her then he can leave you

SPEAKER_01: And that's the mentality you have to learn.

SPEAKER_01: And I think it takes a bad relationship to learn and to understand and to value yourself.

SPEAKER_01: Yeah, I think I would change it, but I hope I don't fall into anything similar in the future.

SPEAKER_00: Nice and I know like so you alluded to like not online but about high value men and I love that's my thing I always talk about like high value guys that you attract but it means a lot of different things to a lot of different people so that obviously was an example of not high value you know if he's busy lying about that particular situation with a married woman but so what is high value to you?

SPEAKER_01: I think I would be lying if I don't include every single aspect.

SPEAKER_01: I think financial aspect is important.

SPEAKER_01: Stability and not in this day and age is very important.

SPEAKER_01: You can't build a family without stability.

SPEAKER_01: And unfortunately, financial aspect is something that brings you stability.

SPEAKER_01: In most cases, emotional stability is extremely important, but that comes with age.

SPEAKER_01: So I think an experienced man brings stability, brings emotional knowledge.

SPEAKER_01: which is quite important for me.

SPEAKER_01: Again, someone who is able to understand their own emotions, so he knows how to deal with your emotions.

SPEAKER_01: I think education is not as important in my perspective.

SPEAKER_01: I think life knowledge and just life experience is a bit more valuable than

SPEAKER_01: actual education.

SPEAKER_01: If I could, personally, if I can find a partner that hits three boxes of being emotionally stable, financially stable, and just having a very good life experience, to me, that will mean that he is a high value man.

SPEAKER_01: Nice.

SPEAKER_01: It's quite personal.

SPEAKER_01: So I think it's different for every single person.

SPEAKER_00: Yeah, I love that you're like, okay, so if they can tick these three boxes, then that would be like, okay, I'm happy with that.

SPEAKER_00: That counts as high value because there are women who are like, right, I've got 10 boxes, and he's got to tick every single one.

SPEAKER_00: And I've had a lot of interesting characteristics, well not characteristics, requirements.

SPEAKER_00: And it's like, there's a show, I don't know, I've mentioned already Kendra G, but I'm going to mention her again.

SPEAKER_00: Maybe she'll eventually watch the show or listen to the show, who knows.

SPEAKER_00: But it's interesting, the guests that come on her show.

SPEAKER_00: So she's got a dating show where people come on and they're like, I'm looking for this, I'm looking for that.

SPEAKER_00: And when someone sounds really unrealistic, she's like, cool.

SPEAKER_00: So I want you to get a piece of paper and I want you to draw this man, because that's the only way you're ever going to get him in your imagination.

SPEAKER_00: And it's true.

SPEAKER_00: You know, we have to work out what that 15% or 10% that we are happy to compromise on, because, you know, we may be successful, but we're definitely not perfect ourselves.

SPEAKER_00: So we've got to mirror that, right, in another human being and be like, I'm not perfect, but I've done my best or I've done the best work I can on myself.

SPEAKER_00: What do you have to offer and vice versa?

SPEAKER_01: Yeah, 100%.

SPEAKER_01: I think I used to say this one thing, it came from my mother, actually, she used to tell me you have to work on yourself, you have to develop yourself first.

SPEAKER_01: Whether this your physical attraction, your education, your knowledge, your financial aspects, because if you want to marry a prince, bear in mind, a prince wants to also marry a princess.

SPEAKER_01: Mm.

SPEAKER_01: Nice.

SPEAKER_01: Both ways.

SPEAKER_01: So I think, ladies, we need to sometimes humble ourselves and, you know, make sure we tick the boxes that we also ask.

SPEAKER_00: Yes, yes.

SPEAKER_00: No, I 100 percent.

SPEAKER_00: You have to be already what you're asking for.

SPEAKER_00: And that's probably healthier anyway, because if you're asking for more than you can even give yourself, then there's already a power dynamic imbalance, isn't there?

SPEAKER_00: There's already like, oh, OK, are you getting do you want that in someone else to fill a void or what's going on there?

SPEAKER_01: So, yeah, 100 percent.

SPEAKER_01: You want someone on your level.

SPEAKER_01: It's not comfortable when someone's, let's say, financially below you

SPEAKER_01: And you have to always pay for them.

SPEAKER_01: You have to bring them on trips.

SPEAKER_01: And for a female, that's uncomfortable.

SPEAKER_01: And that's probably the same way for a guy as well.

SPEAKER_01: You don't you want to have stability within yourself.

SPEAKER_01: But obviously, it's nice when he's treating you to something, but you don't want to rely on him 100 percent.

SPEAKER_01: You want to have your own separate life.

SPEAKER_01: You want to have your stability as well.

SPEAKER_00: I agree.

SPEAKER_00: I totally agree.

SPEAKER_00: Nice.

SPEAKER_00: Oh, I love deep diving with you on this.

SPEAKER_00: That was so good.

SPEAKER_00: Like, you can tell we could just go on for hours.

SPEAKER_00: Can you tell us where we can find you, my love, on social media, the website, so we can start buying your beautiful jewelry and connect with you?

SPEAKER_01: 100 percent.

SPEAKER_01: You can find us on Instagram.

SPEAKER_01: It's Gessenia Morella Jewelry.

SPEAKER_01: You can also find us on the website Gessenia Morella Jewelry.

SPEAKER_01: Always.

SPEAKER_01: looking out for new clients and would love to design new ideas.

SPEAKER_01: So yeah, I would love to work with anyone.

SPEAKER_00: Amazing.

SPEAKER_00: Well, thank you so much for coming on the show.

SPEAKER_00: It really was a pleasure and we will definitely connect soon.

SPEAKER_00: I'm going to add you actually whilst you're here, because if you know what, when I've told guests I'm going to add you and then I disappear and their IG handle is not what they said and then I'm lost.

SPEAKER_00: So let me do it whilst you're online.

SPEAKER_00: Um…